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Quarter Midget Racing Digest: Tuesday, January 11 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1219
Contents:
Re: Rule Change rules
Re: Rule Change rules
Re: Preliminary 120 manual
Re: Region 4 Mini-Indy
Makes you wonder
Re: Makes you wonder
Re: Rule Change rules
RE: Preliminary 120 manual
RE: Makes you wonder
New QM handler questions
Re: Makes you wonder
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:45:35 -0500
From: "Robert Kerr"
Subject: Re: Rule Change rules
Donald,
There are several methods by which some of the rules are changed.
The first, and by far the most common is the RCP's presented at the Annual
Meeting. This is the desired method, and generally the way that the rules
should be changed, however there are a few additional methods, the first
being "technical issues".
Many Technical issues are hammered out at the infamous annual "tech
meetings" which have been held in Philadelphia over the past few years.
Additionally, at any point during the year the BOD can mandate Emergency
RCP's per the guidlines in the yellow rulebook. The Emergency RCP's allow
the BOD to clarify or fix emergencies that can't wait till the next annual
meeting. An example that was cited a few years ago came about when
apparently some folks started running plastic Karting fuel tanks in the
driver's compartment, Maybe Fred or some of the other folks running at the
time can elaborate on that matter, in any case you can see where there might
be a need to get a rule on the book before someone gets hurt.
As to the 4130 frame requirement, a question was posed by someone helping me
with the rulebook revision Re: would an indy style "tub" be allowable under
the current rules, or would things like Carbon Fiber or other exotics. The
question that was footnoted in the rulebook was reviewed and it was realized
that aside from the rollcage, the rest of the frame could be made from any
metal, potentially including copper, EMT (Commonly refered to as electrical
conduit) or any other material. The committee decided that there should be
some minimum criteria from a frame integrity standpoint and 4130 was
decided.
The rule is highlighted and and noted as being a pending new rule for 2000
so that the RD's will be able to specifically request any cahnge if they
don't agree.
Robert Kerr
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Rector"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 12:28 PM
Subject: Rule Change rules
> Would RDs or BODs on this list please take a minute to explain the actual
> way Rule Change process takes place. I was told that the only way a rule
> can change is if a RCP is submitted. Last night I was told that there are
a
> number of changes that are planned that are not on the list of RCPs. One
is
> requiring that chassis be made of chrome molly. Another has to do with
> changing the dimensions in the Honda specs. I am not saying these changes
> are good or bad. I don't know, but what I am wondering is if there are
> changes that are planned by the BOD, why aren't they circulated for input
> from the membership? I gather this is the way the ATV was approved
without
> a RCP. Please someone who knows, please explain the process and how it
fits
> with our by-laws and rules.
>
> Don Rector
> Handler for Rippin' Ryan
> Baylands QMA
> Vox (408) 356-0396
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:56:06 -0500
From: "Robert Kerr"
Subject: Re: Rule Change rules
The Phoenix Rack???
Is that some form of spanish inquisition treatment we're gonna submit list
members to???
Sorry, I won't be able to take part since I'll be at the Vegas meeting.
Robert Kerr
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Sbravati"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 12:28 PM
Subject: RE: Rule Change rules
> Anybody no any details about Phoenix Rack coming up in Feb 5 and 6th???
>
>
> Andy Sbravati
> andy@pei.com
> Senior Account Manager
> Performance Enhancements, Inc.
> 5435 Airport Blvd.
> Boulder, CO 80301
> 303-786-7474 Phone
> 303-786-7822 FAX
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Rector [mailto:drector@ilog.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 10:28 AM
> To: qmidgets@QuarterMidgets.com
> Subject: Rule Change rules
>
>
> Would RDs or BODs on this list please take a minute to explain the actual
> way Rule Change process takes place. I was told that the only way a rule
> can change is if a RCP is submitted. Last night I was told that there are
a
> number of changes that are planned that are not on the list of RCPs. One
is
> requiring that chassis be made of chrome molly. Another has to do with
> changing the dimensions in the Honda specs. I am not saying these changes
> are good or bad. I don't know, but what I am wondering is if there are
> changes that are planned by the BOD, why aren't they circulated for input
> from the membership? I gather this is the way the ATV was approved
without
> a RCP. Please someone who knows, please explain the process and how it
fits
> with our by-laws and rules.
>
> Don Rector
> Handler for Rippin' Ryan
> Baylands QMA
> Vox (408) 356-0396
>
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:56:53 -0500
From: "Robert Kerr"
Subject: Re: Preliminary 120 manual
Greg, Did the topic of sending copies of the rulebook to the RD's come up?
Robert Kerr
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Salisbury"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: Preliminary 120 manual
> Robert
>
> What about the 160 manual?
>
> It was discussed last night that both would be posted less the digital
> pictures.
>
> Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-qmidgets@moab.off-road.com
> [mailto:owner-qmidgets@moab.off-road.com]On Behalf Of Robert Kerr
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 12:58 PM
> To: qmidgets@quartermidgets.com
> Subject: Preliminary 120 manual
>
>
> Just got a preliminary copy of the Honda 120 manual to post on the
website.
>
> Should be available by the time this message makes it onto the list.
>
> Robert Kerr
>
> P.S. It'll be in Word Doc format but I ain't even gonna try to cut and
paste
> the thing to ASCII :)
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:11:17 -0500
From: Dale Smiley
Subject: Re: Region 4 Mini-Indy
Tim,
When I first joined, Mini-Indy had monthly meetings of the general
membership. A couple of years ago the club bod decided that only the board
needed to meet, so the membership meetings went out the window. I have been a
lone voice crying in the wilderness to reinstate monthly membership meetings
(on a weekday evening) but nobody listens to an old phart. In defense of past
president Gary Vaughn, he did try to have meetings at the track before the
races, but that didn't help me much, as I wasn't able to attend that many races
in '99.
If they are held during the week, I can put them on my schedule and say "I
have a meeting tonight at ?PM" and no one questions it! Just my ramblings on
the subject. I haven't seen the results of the latest elections so I don't know
who the officers are for the coming year, nor what the schedule is yet!
If they still had monthly meetings, we would have met by now! :-D
Grandpa Dale
Tim Clauson wrote:
> Can someone from the Mini Indy club tell me if we have any meetings ?
> (Monthly , Bimonthly, yearly ?) We joined the club last Aug or Sept. and
> have not seen a thing come from the club. As far as RCP's or any other
> correspondence. when is the Schedule for the 2000 race season released?
>
> Thank you Tim Clauson
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:35:31 -0800
From: XXRacing
Subject: Makes you wonder
This was published in the Jan 2000 issue of Open Wheel Magazine.
"Clyde, Ohio, sprint driver Willie Keegan has been ordered to pay more
than $2 million to the family of a flagman who was killed in an on-track
accident at Fremont Speedway in 1995.
Micheal holman, 44, was flagman for the track at the time. A racing
accident on the frontstretch sent Keegan's sprint car flipping into the
flagstand, knocking Holman about 30 feet. Emergency personnel pronounced
Holman dead at the scene.
Apparently, that inspired Holman's widow, Christine Holman, and her
attorney, Jim Murray, to launch a wrongful death suit against everybody
and anybody, from Keegan to the man who built the flagstand. In June
1997, the other defendants in the lawsuit-the Sandusky County
Agricultural Society, the Fremont Speedway, and the county commissioners
settled for a total of $450,000.
On September 9, the Judge Joseph Cirigliano ordered that Keegan pay the
family of Michaell Holman $1.7 million in damages. The judge also
ordered that Keegan pay $250,000 to Christine Holman for having to
witness her husbands death, and another $125,000 be awarded for the pain
Michael Holman suffered during the estimated five minutes he survived
after the accident."
Jay Bolton
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:48:06 -0800
From: "Jon Ledman"
Subject: Re: Makes you wonder
Jay,
I read that and am still shocked!! maybe I should sue for being hit out at the
track .. or at least try and get money from everyone who watched. What next ??
Just plain silly . Its like people who move next to an airport then complain
about the noise of the planes .. shaking head
Jon
XXRacing wrote:
> This was published in the Jan 2000 issue of Open Wheel Magazine.
>
> "Clyde, Ohio, sprint driver Willie Keegan has been ordered to pay more
> than $2 million to the family of a flagman who was killed in an on-track
> accident at Fremont Speedway in 1995.
>
> Micheal holman, 44, was flagman for the track at the time. A racing
> accident on the frontstretch sent Keegan's sprint car flipping into the
> flagstand, knocking Holman about 30 feet. Emergency personnel pronounced
> Holman dead at the scene.
>
> Apparently, that inspired Holman's widow, Christine Holman, and her
> attorney, Jim Murray, to launch a wrongful death suit against everybody
> and anybody, from Keegan to the man who built the flagstand. In June
> 1997, the other defendants in the lawsuit-the Sandusky County
> Agricultural Society, the Fremont Speedway, and the county commissioners
> settled for a total of $450,000.
>
> On September 9, the Judge Joseph Cirigliano ordered that Keegan pay the
> family of Michaell Holman $1.7 million in damages. The judge also
> ordered that Keegan pay $250,000 to Christine Holman for having to
> witness her husbands death, and another $125,000 be awarded for the pain
> Michael Holman suffered during the estimated five minutes he survived
> after the accident."
>
> Jay Bolton
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:48:58 EST
From: TyypoMan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rule Change rules
In a message dated 1/11/00 1:04:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, kerrro@msu.edu
writes:
<< The Phoenix Rack???
Is that some form of spanish inquisition treatment we're gonna submit list
members to???
Sorry, I won't be able to take part since I'll be at the Vegas meeting.
Robert Kerr >>
I'll see if I can arrange to have a Vegas Rack available at the National
Meeting. Wouldn't want Robert Kerr to get the idea that we're not thinking
about him....
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:53:04 -0500
From: "Greg Salisbury"
Subject: RE: Preliminary 120 manual
Yes
They are supposed to be getting the new Rule book draft as well as the Re
Drafted bylaws from the Law firm for review.
Jim called this morning and said he was taking care of it.
Greg
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-qmidgets@moab.off-road.com
[mailto:owner-qmidgets@moab.off-road.com]On Behalf Of Robert Kerr
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 1:57 PM
To: qmidgets@quartermidgets.com
Subject: Re: Preliminary 120 manual
Greg, Did the topic of sending copies of the rulebook to the RD's come up?
Robert Kerr
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Salisbury"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: Preliminary 120 manual
> Robert
>
> What about the 160 manual?
>
> It was discussed last night that both would be posted less the digital
> pictures.
>
> Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-qmidgets@moab.off-road.com
> [mailto:owner-qmidgets@moab.off-road.com]On Behalf Of Robert Kerr
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 12:58 PM
> To: qmidgets@quartermidgets.com
> Subject: Preliminary 120 manual
>
>
> Just got a preliminary copy of the Honda 120 manual to post on the
website.
>
> Should be available by the time this message makes it onto the list.
>
> Robert Kerr
>
> P.S. It'll be in Word Doc format but I ain't even gonna try to cut and
paste
> the thing to ASCII :)
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:10:18 -0800
From: "Mattatall, David"
Subject: RE: Makes you wonder
Jay,
At the risk of asking an obvious question,
did someone neglect to obtain a waiver of
liability from the unfortunate Mr. Holman?
Or did the honourable Judge just ignore the issue.
In British Columbia, these waivers tend to protect
the track owners and officials from damage awards.
How about down there? Do waivers mean nothing?
Just asking.
David
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jon Ledman [mailto:jon_ledman@globalcrossing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 10:48 AM
To: qmidgets@QuarterMidgets.com
Subject: Re: Makes you wonder
Jay,
I read that and am still shocked!! maybe I should sue for being hit out at
the
track .. or at least try and get money from everyone who watched. What next
??
Just plain silly . Its like people who move next to an airport then complain
about the noise of the planes .. shaking head
Jon
XXRacing wrote:
> This was published in the Jan 2000 issue of Open Wheel Magazine.
>
> "Clyde, Ohio, sprint driver Willie Keegan has been ordered to pay more
> than $2 million to the family of a flagman who was killed in an on-track
> accident at Fremont Speedway in 1995.
>
> Micheal holman, 44, was flagman for the track at the time. A racing
> accident on the frontstretch sent Keegan's sprint car flipping into the
> flagstand, knocking Holman about 30 feet. Emergency personnel pronounced
> Holman dead at the scene.
>
> Apparently, that inspired Holman's widow, Christine Holman, and her
> attorney, Jim Murray, to launch a wrongful death suit against everybody
> and anybody, from Keegan to the man who built the flagstand. In June
> 1997, the other defendants in the lawsuit-the Sandusky County
> Agricultural Society, the Fremont Speedway, and the county commissioners
> settled for a total of $450,000.
>
> On September 9, the Judge Joseph Cirigliano ordered that Keegan pay the
> family of Michaell Holman $1.7 million in damages. The judge also
> ordered that Keegan pay $250,000 to Christine Holman for having to
> witness her husbands death, and another $125,000 be awarded for the pain
> Michael Holman suffered during the estimated five minutes he survived
> after the accident."
>
> Jay Bolton
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:24:40 -0800
From: "Paul Titchener"
Subject: New QM handler questions
I'm prepping together 2 cars for my 2 sons (5 and 6)
who will be starting QM training as soon as I can get
their cars together. I bought them a '97 Fast Track and
a '96 Nervo-Coggins without engines.
I just got 2 brand new Honda 120 engines delivered in boxes,
with the stock gas tanks, exhaust, starter cord, etc.;
Specifically what do I have to do to them to get them ready,
performing well and legal to race in the entry level Novice class?
If there is an online document that describes the engine prep,
please point me to it. I have access to a fabrication shop so
I can handle any machining or fabrication that is recommended
for best performance or reliability.
Also, what weight (with and without drivers) do the cars half
to hit?
Also, I'm new to using drive chains, do I need a chain breaker
to size and assemble the drive chains for the cars?
What kind of lube to you put on the chains?
Thanks for any help you can give me-
Paul Titchener
pault@power-t.com
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:36:45 EST
From: TyypoMan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Makes you wonder
In a message dated 1/11/00 1:43:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, xxracing@jps.net
writes:
<< This was published in the Jan 2000 issue of Open Wheel Magazine.
"Clyde, Ohio, sprint driver Willie Keegan has been ordered to pay more
than $2 million to the family of a flagman who was killed in an on-track
accident at Fremont Speedway in 1995.
Micheal holman, 44, was flagman for the track at the time. A racing
accident on the frontstretch sent Keegan's sprint car flipping into the
flagstand, knocking Holman about 30 feet. Emergency personnel pronounced
Holman dead at the scene.
Apparently, that inspired Holman's widow, Christine Holman, and her
attorney, Jim Murray, to launch a wrongful death suit against everybody
and anybody, from Keegan to the man who built the flagstand. In June
1997, the other defendants in the lawsuit-the Sandusky County
Agricultural Society, the Fremont Speedway, and the county commissioners
settled for a total of $450,000.
On September 9, the Judge Joseph Cirigliano ordered that Keegan pay the
family of Michaell Holman $1.7 million in damages. The judge also
ordered that Keegan pay $250,000 to Christine Holman for having to
witness her husbands death, and another $125,000 be awarded for the pain
Michael Holman suffered during the estimated five minutes he survived
after the accident."
Jay Bolton>>
Jay:
Thanks for the heads-up info. Jim Murray and Judge Joseph Cirigliano [and
the jury panel if the trial was heard before a jury] should be commended for
taking a stand against unscrupulous promoters who hide behind waiver forms
and participants [racecar drivers who's hands are seemingly tied by those
waivers] who have very little legal standing against race promoters that
charge drivers and fans alike the big bucks every year to put on the show ...
and then put track workers at risk because they don't feel the need to
improve track conditions with a portion of the profits.
Had Willie Keegan turned around and sued the Sandusky County
Agricultural Society, the Fremont Speedway, and the county commissioners
for putting him in a position where he was susceptible to legal damages as a
direct result of being a participant ... I bet the lawsuit wouldn't have been
summarily dismissed on the grounds of the waiver signed by the driver.
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