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Quarter Midget Racing Digest: Saturday, February 5 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1310




Contents:
  Re: Bolton contribution for Video
  Re: Quarter Midget Racing Digest: V2 #1306
  Bolton (sic) contribution for Video
  Re: Honda vs Deco
  Re: RULE CHANGE PROPOSALS 2/4/00
  Re: Valve Spring Tester....
  Re: Next Honda Class to Add
  Re: helmet question
  Re: Quarter Midget Racing Digest: V2 #1308
  Re: Next Honda Class to Add

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Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 06:31:23 -0500
From: RB Salyer 
Subject: Re: Bolton contribution for Video

Don,
    I'm sure that Bob would appreciate a phone call. He's out in Phoenix right
now, racing a midget. Which hasn't changedc a lot in the last fifty years.
RB Salyer

Donald Rector wrote:

> John,
>
> Video production costs are very high.  I just contracted to have a 15 minute
> sales video done and the price ended up over $100,000.  A contact that I had
> made at ESPN said that for them to cover one day of the Grands would cost
> about $500,000.  So bottom line is what Ron gave was a drop in the bucket.
> I was someone post that the cost was only $10,000 to $12,000.  If that is
> true, I may have to contact the company which did the video.  I have a
> feeling the $10,000 to $12,000 is the duplication cost for cartridge to
> inventory.
>
> Personally I think Ron Bolton deserves a very hearty THANK YOU.  I have not
> seen the video yet, but understand it is really well don.
>
> Don Rector
> Handler for Rippin' Ryan
> Baylands QMA
> Vox (408) 356-0396
>
> > Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:21:30 -0500
> > From: "The Billings" 
> > Subject: Re: Las Vegas - Day One Report
> >
> > Believe it not Tony I agree with you! I think that,"video's promoting the
> > sport", are good! BUT did the money that Ron invested in this video do
> > anything for the organization? Did a copy of the video get mailed
> > to ALL the
> > clubs for promotional purposes? It should have for the price he paid. Were
> > they sent to a couple of RD's for use in there region? The only
> > thing I have
> > seen on this video is a couple of posts saying they are for sale for what?
> > $50 a piece. And by the way, when these type of transactions come
> > up during
> > the Annual meeting, where all the rule and policy changes take place its
> > called lobbying not sponsorship!
> >
>
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Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 06:43:08 -0500
From: RB Salyer 
Subject: Re: Quarter Midget Racing Digest: V2 #1306

Don,
    I do Get It. And absolutely do not agree with It. There are plenty of
reasons, and very good ones, why the Deco and overhead valve motor programs will
eventually have to make a complete split. That day isn't too far away, and I'm
doing what I can to prevent that from happening. It will occur as long as good
people do nothing, to sort of quote somebody, who I can't remember, famous.
RB (troublemaker) Salyer

Donald Rector wrote:

> RB,
>
> You still don't get it.  It is not a "Nightmare" to any of us.  It would be
> really great it that happens.  It still doesn't change a thing.  There is no
> reason that both DECO and Honda can't co-exist.  In fact we have proved they
> can.  If the ATV motor is really available at the costs mentioned, then it
> makes running a modified (mod, B. AA) a much more reasonable approach.  This
> could have some very positive steps to slowing the early departure of QM
> families to Micros, where it is cheaper to race and run faster.
>
> So, please do get a grip.  Those of us in Region 10 & 11, the only regions I
> am familar with, have no problem with both existing.  Maybe you need a
> little left coast attitude and enjoy watching the efforts of others.
>
> Don Rector
> Handler for Rippin' Ryan
> Baylands QMA
> Vox (408) 356-0396
>
> > Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:17:16 -0500
> > From: RB Salyer 
> > Subject: Re: Next Honda Class to Add
> >
> > Gary,
> >     Let's say your worst nightmare comes true and the ATV motor
> > is actually
> > available for use, in quantity for 495.00. What then will be your
> > objectiion to
> > outlawing the overhead valve motor from a program that has been successful
> > without overhead motors, for FIFTY years?
> > RB Salyer
> >
> > Gary Kamigawachi wrote:
> >
> > > RB,
> > >
> > > That's what I have been waiting for. Thank goodness the OHV 160 is
> > > around to fill in the gap in the mean time. I'm just wondering what
> > > our next step up will be.
> > >
> > > Gary.
> > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 20:14:09 -0500
> > > > From: RB Salyer 
> > > > Subject: Re: Next Honda Class to Add
> > > >
> > > > Gary,
> > > >     The obvious answer is.....don't pay it. When enough don't "pay
> > > it", then
> > > > the prices will drop some. Not a whole bunch, but a lot. And now
> > > that we read
> > > > that HP is out of business, the cost of all this stuff should
> > > plummet. Much to
> > > > the consternation of the anti Deco crowd.
> > > > RB Salyer
> > > >
> > > > Gary Kamigawachi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why does QMA have yearly meetings and rule change proposals?
> > > Should we
> > > > > leave everything as they are and all will be fine?. Should we
> > > stick
> > > > > our heads in the sand and hope for the best?
> > > > >
> > > > > Convince me that paying $2000-$4000 or more for a good stock, mod,
> > > B,
> > > > > or AA motor is good for the sport.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gary.
> > >
>
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 06:53:06 EST
From: TyypoMan@aol.com
Subject: Bolton (sic) contribution for Video

In a message Don Rector  writes:

<<  Personally I think Ron Bolton deserves a very hearty THANK YOU.  I have 
not
 > seen the video yet, but understand it is really well don.
 >
 > Don Rector >>

Maybe so,  but Ron Bolden deserves an even heartier THANK YOU.
RRC




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Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 07:02:06 -0500
From: RB Salyer 
Subject: Re: Honda vs Deco

John,
    There is a guy here in Columbus who upgraded his B for less than a thousand
dollars and if he can keep the thing from biking, usually runs in front of a
brand new HP tilt port in a year old NC 2000. 1500-2000 for a mod update is
steep. Way steep. I'd get another quote.
    Depending on the crank that is in the motor, the update shouldn't be that
much. The expensive stuff is the machining to fit the side bearing and the oil
pump. But there are people that will do those things reasonably, say 30 bucks
for each operation. Valves are pretty cheap, as long as you stay away from
titanium, springs are cheap, cams are pretty much the same now, and I think 85
dollars or so will get a good one. Tappets are cheap. Head is the same as your
stocker, so no cost there. Head gasket, copper one, is a one time buy, Flywheel
must be changed, and they're a little pricey, but I'd go for the smallest
diameter I could find, and get it up to weight by adding weight to the center.
Easy to do it you have a small lathe. Rod, rings, and piston from HP seem to
work well, but extremely pricey. I'd call Dick Shelton and get the stuff from
him. Just about any aluminum oil pan is okay, but only if you got a weight
problem, otherwise, the old cast iron jobs work just fine. Rod bearing are the
same, gear box the same. You'd need to massage your shroud some to get it to
fit the newer profile on the flywheel. Takes about an hour. The points you used
on your stocker work just fine, as does the condenser. By the way, one of the
fastest heavy B's in region four runs on points. The expensive box ignition
isn't necessary. Neither is the crank fire ignition. You'll need to change your
exhaust pipe. A stepped header, with the correct length and neatly formed into
three or four mufflers seems to work well. Cant think of anything else right
now, if I do, I'll email you.
    The only other thing is the cam settings and valve lash. Which is the most
important thing in the building process.
RB Salyer

John Neiswinger wrote:

> I have been following this debate the last several days and I've gotta
> throw my two cents in. First of all, I don't think of it as Honda vs
> Deco or Flat head vs OHV, it's really about common sense. $3,000 to
> $5,000 for a 40 year old motor? There is no such thing. Thus the
> popularity of the Honda. Personally, if I can buy an ATV for $495.00 and
> upgrade it to MOD for another $500, I won't be able to place my order
> fast enough! I currently have a Deco stocker that has been ported to MOD
> specs but no other upgrades done yet, because of a quoted price of
> $1500.00-$2000.00 to finish the job. It is currently under my work bench
> while we run the Hondas. Building motors is an integral part of
> motorsports, but there is room for stock classes.
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Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 07:07:50 -0500
From: RB Salyer 
Subject: Re: RULE CHANGE PROPOSALS 2/4/00

So, he can yell the loudest, and the longest, is the rightest?
RB Salyer

TyypoMan@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 2/5/00 12:44:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> mccombs@bentonrea.com writes:
>
> << Typo, or one of the other RD's at the meeting who are making posts, could
>  you please tell us what N/A, pulled, Not Voteable, amended mean exactly. I
>  think I know, but I don't want to assume anything. Some of the RCP's fell
>  under other areas, or had wording that wasn't correct, or had been addressed
>  already, does this make them one of the above? Is there something that can
>  be done in the future to eliminate having the members and regions spending
>  time on these type of RCP's and then having them labeled as non-voteable at
>  the national meeting? RCP meetings are sometimes long and not much fun, and
>  if they aren't voteable anyway, why should we waste our time on them. I
>  counted 17 N/A's on the list. Any kind of response would be appreciated.
>  Thanks! >>
>
> Generally, "Pulled" refers to RCPs that were withdrawn by the Regional
> Director who sponsored that particular RCP.  The reasons for withdrawn were
> varied.  Not Voteable [should be spelled "Votable"] referred to RCPs that
> were By-laws instead of Rules.  N/A refers to RCPs that never got voted on
> for one of the reasons above, or were mixed together with similar issues and
> then voted on under a different [amended] RCP.
>
> One of the biggest pitfalls of the entire RCP voting process and the Annual
> Meeting in general was the [IMHO] lack of control or in some cases total
> disregard for parliamentary process. Without a modicum of order, anything can
> happen.  In many cases ..... anything did.  Credit should be given to the
> President for trying to control the meeting but the total disregard for rule
> of order on the part of some of the RDs made his job more difficult than it
> needed to be. Motions were made out of order on a regular basis. Some
> requests for clarification were either ignored or pooh-poohed away.  The
> overall tone for the rest of the meeting was set on the first day during the
> RD Meeting.  I suggested that we [the RDs] follow the basic guide in Robert's
> Rules of Order ... and I was practically booed out of the room.  The
> following deliberations were about as orderly as a Chinese fire drill.  It's
> a wonder that we were able to get anything done ... and it's a yet to be seen
> if we got anything done right.
>
> RRC
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Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 07:10:15 -0500
From: RB Salyer 
Subject: Re: Valve Spring Tester....

Sorry to hear that, I'll look around. Maybe Tanner? Or Interlake?
RB

Howard Veach wrote:

> RB Slayer,
>
> Longacre is no longer making them.
>
> Thank you,
> Howard
>
> RB Salyer wrote:
> >
> > Howard,
> >     Go digital, and get an appropriately sized test/calibration spring. I got
> > mine from Longacre a few years ago. It wasn't cheap, but it's accurate, and has
> > been maintenance free. RB Salyer
> >
> > Howard Veach wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have a good source for a Valve Spring Tester?
> > > I am looking for one at a reasonable price.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Howard
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 07:50:24 -0500
From: "dennis mccree" 
Subject: Re: Next Honda Class to Add

Final answer Rb?
Dennis McCree
Toledo Qma
Driver Corey"The Rocket"McCree
Honda GX160 powered
http://www.thatsracin.koz.com/racing/nwoqmra2000
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "RB Salyer" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: Next Honda Class to Add


> Tell you what, I'll give you an opportunity to take back the question,
since I
> don't think you'll like the answer. No one will. But there are some very
good
> reasons why anyone who really cares about children racing with some
modicum of
> safety would never embrace this overhead valve motor program.
> RB Salyer
>
> Van Ripers wrote:
>
> > RB,
> >
> > What specifically is it about OHV motors that you don't like?
> >
> > jvr
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 9:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: Next Honda Class to Add
> >
> > > In a message dated 2/4/00 12:22:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > rbsalyer@beol.net writes:
> > >
> > > <<
> > >  Gary,
> > >      Let's say your worst nightmare comes true and the ATV motor is
> > actually
> > >  available for use, in quantity for 495.00. What then will be your
> > objectiion
> > > to
> > >  outlawing the overhead valve motor from a program that has been
> > successful
> > >  without overhead motors, for FIFTY years?
> > >  RB Salyer
> > >
> > >  >>
> > > Geez ......get a grip..........they don't run Offy's at Indy anymore
> > > either.........
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeff Chambers
> > > Chambers Motorsports
> > > Rotor Ranch Racing
> > > Fayetteville, Georgia
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 08:31:56 EST
From: Racer302@aol.com
Subject: Re: helmet question

My first race, they couldn't find the Snell 90+ on my helmet. They wouldnt 
let me race, then I pointed out the Snell 95 rating.  Then they let me race.  
So yes, it must have a Snell 90 + rating.

- -"Racer"
Driver of the #82 Pokemon Ford Taurus in Nascar 3.  
Also, Driver of the #26 Quarter Midget at DQMRC Raceway, Honey Brook, Pa
Please visit www.aeroelectricco.com! Aero Electric is a full service 
electrical contractor serving NJ, PA. 

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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:41:50 -0600
From: "Jeff Nuckles" 
Subject: Re: Quarter Midget Racing Digest: V2 #1308

I don't suppose anybody considered what an implememtation nightmare this is
going to be to administer this alternate thing for every race.

jeff

> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:29:06 EST
> From: TyypoMan@aol.com
> Subject: RULE CHANGE PROPOSALS 2/4/00
>
                         RULE CHANGE PROPOSALS  VOTE

>4. Allow alternate drivers in all main
          events for the Grand Nationals.

> Region 3 Vote                        Final Vote
> Count   Yes/No
>
> 4.  YES                                 YES
>                13/6
>
> All votes are subject to change until end of meeting and officially
approved
> in the minutes.
>
> RRC   RD3
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 08:25:51 -0800
From: "Gary Kamigawachi" 
Subject: Re: Next Honda Class to Add

RB,

I bought our one and only stocker in 1997 for $1000. That was about
all I could afford for a decently competitive Deco. In the last 3
years I have spent about the same to upgrade it because of all the new
rules and to remain competitive. There still a lot more (work and
about $1000) that can be done to it for 2000 rules. I've must have
spent the same amount to get it freshened also. I bought a 160 last
year for about $400. It is faster and easier to maintain. My son has
been ready to move to Mod, B or AA for a long time. I just can't
justify to myself spending $4000 for a single cylinder engine.

One reason we joined QMA in 1996 was because of the affordable Honda
engine program. I think if an externally modified 160 is comparable to
a B in performance for about $650, then I think we shold seriously
consider this as an option. Can ATV produce a B for this much?

Gary.

>
> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 06:28:17 -0500
> From: RB Salyer 
> Subject: Re: Next Honda Class to Add
>
> Gary,
>     I apologize. I thought you were an overhead valve motor guy. So
if there is
> an appropriately priced flathead motor, or even two or three of them
to choose
> from, say Deco, ATV and Briggs, and two of the three were in the
under five
> hundred bucks range, you'd forgoe the overhead valve motor program?
> RB Salyer
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